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About the Ban (And Possible Tiger Faction Change ? )
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| Opio | Date: Monday, 2009-10-26, 7:11 PM | Message # 1 |
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| Im very pissed, disapointed and sad about this ban thing.
Im 100% sure that the people behind all this situation are dragon players.
Our guild as been always saw as a bad group,dragons dont like us, just beacuse we have the power.
My grade of disapointment goes further when I realise that people that was very close to me , and Iam sure of this,are the people who have his hand on this.
I been thinking...and I think,that Iam going to change to the Tiger faction after this vendetta against the Xiaolin players gets solved.
I see more enemies on the dragon side that on the tiger side.
Game Masters never ever could get alone on this, there was Dragon players involved on this.
Dragons never liked our names on the Temple of Honor,they always been complaining that all we do is get points, and that they consider that the odds are more important, but, hey, what they want? we dont have enemies to figth,theres no tigers to kill...so...what odds we can get?....in the other hand, they stoped leveling and froze on level 70...for weeks,we keep leveling, we make our part of the job on BG2.
The Temple of Honor is based on points, not in odds, thats the structure of the game.
We also can call them ''odd farmers'' beacuse they stayed at level 70, we leveled up and we ''farm points'',but going to the Game Masters and ask for a ban to us...its just an insane case of pure envy.
Thats waht they feel among us: envy.
We fighted and worked for the dragon comunity, we granted the victory on BG2 , we help to provide the Shout of Victory, even if its something we dont use,due the cap level....and this is what we get? a ban?...created by our dragons ''brothers''?...their envy went to far that the best solution was go to the Game Sages and got us benned??
My call its, for high levels of this guild, to move to the tiger faction...and show some love to our ''dragon brothers''....sooner or later the cap lvl will be removed,and we will see their nice faces on the BG2...and the pvp maps.
Lets see if they can keep the dragon victory on the battles.
Its nothing worse than have your own enemies in your own house.
Moving Xiaolin to the tiger side will give a drastic change into the game balance.
Think about it..and let me know what do you think about this.
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| Kotegawa | Date: Monday, 2009-10-26, 8:12 PM | Message # 2 |
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| Hmmm that is an interesting option Opio. I know we had this discussion in Soul Dragons to switch the guild to Tiger Side.
It would be very interesting to see the shift in power balance.
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| Opio | Date: Monday, 2009-10-26, 8:29 PM | Message # 3 |
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| Despite my feelings on this situation (getting banned in a game,well, its just a game, but wtf ) I keep thinking the same.
How comes that the Game Masters just banned the dragon side? No one of the high levels of the tiger side been touched. Why?
We (those who play on BG2) know that tigers also farm points,but they still clean.
Maybe its beacuse the tiger comunity doesnt care about what their high levels do?
Maybe the tiger players dont give a shit about the Temple of Honor?
What I really know, its that theres a group of players, on the dragon side,that dont like our names on the Temple of Honor.
For those (yes I know you are reading this) thats the structure of the game.Sorry.Its about points. Not odds.
Anyways, lest see what the rest of the members think about this.
I know, some of them will stop playing (this ban is unfair)
I know some of them dont give a shit (hey, its just a game, lets keep playing )
I know some of them will stay on the dragon side (me..become a tiger??? nevah!!!)
and I know some of them will consider this option (wanna play with me..ok lest do it, lets play ********!! ) We will see. (wtb lvl 80 honor set +5 pm offers)
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| Maxpenny | Date: Tuesday, 2009-10-27, 2:01 AM | Message # 4 |
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| Interesting Thread!! i Just explain all my feelings about this situation! Let's discuss this with the whole guild to see how everything goes! I try log in other account to get in touch with other members to see how this will be fun!
Maxpenny 
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| Opio | Date: Tuesday, 2009-10-27, 4:51 AM | Message # 5 |
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| Hello guys.
First of all, nice idea on moving our talks into a private side of the website,anyways , we dont have nothing to hide, but last nigth I saw a lot ''guest'' reading the post about the ban...at this point Iam sure that most of the information posted here its well know for those who worked for this ban.
About moving Xiaolin to tiger faction.
If the majority of us agree with this theres few things we have to consider.
Iam not sure if the faction change charm is working or is bugged.
When you change faction you lose your points (well, those who got banned already lost all)
Whats important about those points? The honor armurs.
The honor armur its different from tiger to dragon.
Levels below 55 prolly dont have a problem on this, they can make the points.
From 60 and up,things get a bit difficult, not only you need the points, you also need the trophies.
I know theres some players that dont have enough trophies, and they cant be traded.
In order to supply this,we can use regular armurs (those droped from moobs) and (this will sound crazy) we can get some support from the tiger side.
Iam not sure how the tiger comunity will react to this situation.
We got banned,tigers didnt,so now, to make it look more equal, GM's will ban some tigers (if).
All this show started on the dragon side,and may affect some players on the tiger side.
If we can manage to get some support from the tigers, fine, if not...fine too.
About the skills, at this point Iam not sure if theres a difference on dragon or tiger skills,but theres nothing that a skill reset cant fix on this area.
The transition from dragon to tiger must be done in a massive mode,in order to create the main guild, and the guilds of the alternate chars that some of us use.
This are just my ideas about this.
Im not forcing anybody to do something that dont want. In the case we keep as dragons.
Well, first of all we have to take the ban out of us,I been thinking on start to reply Aracton's post about the honor explotation, I have a second account to log in the Dragonsky forum.Iam not sure if this is the rigth moment to do that,Imma wait....
The important thing here is to determine that killing moobs on BG is allowed or forbiden....at this point the statment of forbiden sounds idiotic...moobs are there , you can kill as many as you want. For those that still playing.
After the scheduled maintenance, press T.
There you will see the names of the players that been complaining about the temple of honor.
The names of those arguing that the temple of honor structure is not ok, and must be based in the odds, not in the score.
Check the levels of those players.
They frozed their levels, just to rule on the BG1.
We also can accuse them of ''odd explotation''....but we aint that brainless,we play our game and we dont go after nobody's game style.
Ill be expecting to get news from you.
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| Speedx | Date: Tuesday, 2009-10-27, 5:03 AM | Message # 6 |
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| Well, opio's opinion is really interesting, and i agree with him...for me, there are no problems about moving to tigers, beside the lv 80 set thing...but np. Since you guys got banned, i think the decision about this "faction change" is up to you...for me, it's kinda the same...i've never had problems in dragon faction, and the same will be (for me, at least) in tiger faction.
 GIRLS & BEER, THE WINNING COUPLE
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| Drax | Date: Tuesday, 2009-10-27, 5:37 AM | Message # 7 |
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| I go where Xiaolin goes i have a few tiger friends and alot of dragon friends.. in the tiger faction i will make more tiger friends ... and my dragon friends will still be my friends either way so .. i leave it to xiaolin to deside ... either way i will play and have fun ... and to those that gott banned please dont quit i know its very upsetting .. its up setting to me as well .. i know you all did nothing wrong ... and i did post a comment about that... showing all the message i sent to GM Aracton.. Added (2009-10-27, 4:37 Pm)
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Again the only expliotation i see is the people invauled in getting you banned explioted the TOS to suit them ...
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| Natasja | Date: Tuesday, 2009-10-27, 5:42 AM | Message # 8 |
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| I am not sure yet if I return after my ban is over... I am fed up with being ass-raped by the admins all of the time...
- Not being able to join BG because not enough tigers
- GMs too late to start BG
- BG being postponed
- Not getting ingredients for lvl 80 necklace
- Legendary fucked up achievement 3.0
- etc
- etc
Message edited by Natasja - Tuesday, 2009-10-27, 5:43 AM |
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| YangFei | Date: Tuesday, 2009-10-27, 7:12 AM | Message # 9 |
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| If really the Dragons did this....i'm 100 % with you guys. No problem for me moving to Tigers....same like Drax.....i go where Xiaolin goes. Please let me knows guys if you guys state mind already. And about killing mobs in BG that's 100 % allowed....in loading screen they give information about gaining scores by killing mobs and killing enemies. Cheers  Added (2009-10-27, 6:12 Pm)
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Nat hang on bro.....just keep playing and see what happen next....if nothin change then lets go to another game.
Please stay with us Nat...dun leave
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| Drax | Date: Tuesday, 2009-10-27, 7:16 AM | Message # 10 |
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| Also for all of you who have secondary accounts and want to have a private talk to the members just thought you can join xiaolin2 so you can have a open guild discution or i will be on all day so i can add you to the guild so you can just talk to us there ... either way i am here to help... i have played alot of RPG's and been in alot of guilds but i have NEVER been in an RPG or guild that i like as much as DS and Xiaolin.. So please anything i can do to help i will ... Also i know i repeat myself but i will go where the guild goes ... although i may need some help with that too .. not sure what it invaules to change from one faction to another ..
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| CrucialClout | Date: Wednesday, 2009-10-28, 7:57 AM | Message # 11 |
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| Changing to Tiger faction is a good revenge ploy, that being said i wonder if this is just what the admins of DS want us to do, I rember when the tigers always won the BG wars and then all of a suden the tides swiched, which Im sure is due to Xiaolin efforts. It seems i have to date been over looked for the ban as all my points except 93 are from said exploit, i have bought the lvl 80 armor and a 80 hat for Nat with them, changeing will not be a problem for me, but lets look in to any clues to who will get the advantage of a change, other then the Tiger faction will always win if we change. i haven't been doged for being a Xiaolin  After reading Pandas post I feel that the consensus is correct: there is a certain amount of jealousy going on, and a Tiger switch would definitely bloody their nooses’
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| Kotegawa | Date: Wednesday, 2009-10-28, 8:28 PM | Message # 12 |
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| Yes there is some jealousy somewhere but some thing i must point out. Xiaolin = Dragon BG2 Win.
If we change, we dont really gain anything as there wont be dragons to kill in BG2.
I think the question really becomes why are we changing and to gain what ?
We wouldnt gain much by switching over just for revenge either or rubbing it in their face.
The fact is and still remains at this time, Xiaolin is THE GUILD to be in right now. What would happend if we do opt to switch to tigers but not all current members follows for various reasons?
(ie mostly innactive waiting for new maps, working too much to play right now, doesnt even know about our forums or registred on it or have no clue whats going on right now cuz they didnt log in 2 weeks or more, or just dont want to be a tiger, w/e reason) Can Xiaolin actually switch with at least 75% of its members? Will it still be THE guild everyone is jealous about and looking up to join or will it become another statistic along with many other guild that started great and died off in this game (and this is without even attempting a guild faction switch).
Do we let our ego's and anger get the best of us and take a change losing everything as a group?
Think about it on a different angle: If some dragons are jealous and we switch to tigers and say it doesnt work out well, we effectively lose without gaining anything to those same dragons. IF we remain on as dragons, we are status quo at #1 and still in their face anyway. Do we change or risk losing the whole guild without thinking about our lower level members for 2 handfulls of us? In reality, i dont really care about being #1 guild or not. But i do admit my its feels pretty good. 
I would and will move to tigers out of pure curiosity and cuz like you guys and the guild in general if it comes down to it.
It could be interesting to see how dragons react and adapt to the power balance shift of BGs.
But will they (dragons) actually level up to come meet us Xiaolin's in BG2 along with the current existing BG2 tigers.
Or do we want to be bored out of our minds even more now that honor farming as been declared exploiting with no opposition around since we all moved to tigers.
Also, i think some tigers been leveling up to BG2 and would offer us more opposition sooner than dragons would at this point IMHO. Just food for thought for all of us. Think it well and through before we pass to action.
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| Opio | Date: Thursday, 2009-10-29, 6:15 AM | Message # 13 |
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| Your point is valid Kote.
Yes, theres a risk to lose on the switch.
Risks are everywhere, in all actions we make,in all contexts of our lives.
But Iam with Max and Leli.
It was me the first one who bring on the idea of a switch,and I always stated that must be a group desition.
I always was aware of the risks, of the benefits and the disaventages of this change.
As the days continue,I can see more and more that my felings about the presence of envy dragons was behind this ban.
Max and Leli made their desition, and Iam with them.
Iam not on the position to force anyone to move, everyone has the rigth to make his own desitions.
The exploiting was declared only on the messengers.The rest of the moobs remain under the farm condition.
Please be free to make your desition.
About those inactive players,and those that dont have any idea on whats going on, well,Most of them are waiting for the release of the cap level, and that will not happen in the close future, Iam sure of that.
If they come back and decide to move or not, its their desition.
What we have now, the present,the actual players its what we have. Iam cool now,my desitions are based on many things.Maybe some anger,maybe some lack of justice,maybe Iam looking for fun....maybe Iam crazy ( thats valid too).This is a game, and I want to play it..and I will.
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| [GS]Omega364 | Date: Thursday, 2009-10-29, 4:18 PM | Message # 14 |
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| AHEM, i do think i should throw a piece in here. . . although im not in charge of the guild. As a GS i don't support the dragons OR the tigers. As a GM the same rules apply as they do to GSs. I don't see how this is directly meant to target Xiaolin guild. Tigers have received repercussion and those who haven't will, that needs to be understood. Its not the GMs fault you guys were the only guys in BG2 on the dragon side, its just expected that when you notice a difference that would show that somethings different from the what BG1 was, then it is a bit obvious something is wrong. If you all were tigers you would've been banned, temp banned, ANYWAYS. Kotegawa of all the OB player in the guild man i would've hoped you would've noticed that they do bans in WAVES.
Treat me as you want to be treated. Be an example!
If you piss me off bring a barricade and an umbrella :)
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| Opio | Date: Thursday, 2009-10-29, 6:21 PM | Message # 15 |
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| What u saying Omega? Theres more bans to come?
dragon/tiger side?
Hmmm, thats interesting.
Lets see how this ban festival continues.
Anyways...too drunk to write more, me needs some sleep.
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